Solidarity economy silos

By Matthew Slater on May 01 2015, last modified on May 01 2015.

We all have an idea of what needs to happen; we are piecing together the Transition to a better world in the ways we know how; many of us are reaching out to potential allies, although building productive partnerships is difficult.

The internet is a powerful tool that brings together people who share…


So well said, Matthew! Speaks so well to 'why CM?' I believe the problem rests in the very system we're all working to make obsolete. We've been raised in a society where our well being depends on our ability to compete. Fear of not being recognized or acknowledged for who we are and what we have to give stagnates our ability to be free. We're lost in a whirlpool.

Takes courage to be the first to step out. Takes trust and absolute faith that the society we dream of can be seen in our lifetime. Collaboration happens at time of disasters – times when people forget to be afraid, and the natural desire to unify kicks in. Not only do we find extraordinary ways to resolve things, but the feelings of love and comradeship that erupt from within provides a glimpse of how we – how humanity could be.

It's not easy being open. In a world where most of us depend on cash to survive, it can make us feel vulnerable – for good reason too. Yet for those of us working on a new way of being, our ability to let go – to jump off the cliff and trust that those who said they were with us will provide us with wings – will free us from struggle and manifest success.

I believe there's a place for all of us in this world. Just as the letters of the alphabet can be brought together to form billions of words, so can we as individuals unite in creating infinite solutions for a people and planet that can thrive and be well.

So it brings a huge smile to announce a workshop to take place in my home town of Whistler, BC, where we'll bring thought leaders of the New Economy together in one room (the Long House at Squamish-Lil'wat Cultural Centre to figure out a system that integrates our contributions so bringing momentum to a movement that will transition our economy and – in doing so – give humanity wings!

If we want the world to collaborate, let's lead by example. Look forward to see you there, Mat... along with Michel Bauwens, Art Brock and more! October 5 - 9, 2015.

p.s. re: missing pieces... perhaps add crowdfunding, as well as investing (though in the eyes of the New Economy, they're arguably one of the same) and Citizen Journalism?

Awesome!! We should connect-- we're co-creating a technology you would probably resonate with--

Wow. Would say awesome, but that's taken. Same intention!

Great video - Noomap looks extremely interesting. Resonates big time. I'd love to learn more but know I'm chasing my tail at the moment in preparations for workshop, hangouts for The Great Debate ( etc. Perhaps best way forward it to:

Keep CM's network updated by posting new material here.We plan to broadcast the workshop live, and include a means for people to tweet in comments and questions.

Thanks so much for sharing Bret. Am encouraged for what we – humanity – can create :)

Right on Caroline, I will do that.

Thank you for holding and expressing the love and co-creation.

I'll stay connected and try to tune into the events.

Love, Bret

Likewise, Bret! In appreciation and look forward to staying in touch.

Great points, Matthew! A lot of us have "been on the same page" for a long time but spinning our wheels. I like the term "Solidarity Economics" and you are exactly correct in that some sort of accounting system is needed. I've been at it since 2001 and I'm still working on an integrated "MapStory" idea to balance time and geography. [] The big problem is that the tools are partly made from proprietary software, which to me and others of my stripe is a no-no.

The whole art of consensus requires compromise sometimes opening the door for power brokers and technocratic behaviors that eventually circumvent or derail the good stuff. Agreement on cryptocurrency models is even trickier. The universe isn't that complex until the concept of "property" enters the equation. But the FLOSS community is coming together. We need ways to define borders and boundaries in an equity-building model so we don't lose our "place" and get sidetracked (or waylaid).

The non-profit sector needs to share hard resources like land, buildings, tools and vehicles. Ideas flying freely around in cyberspace with open licenses like Creative Commons is a nice starting point, but to combat vulture capitalism we're going to need teeth. Know what I mean?

I say we go peer to peer.

So many alternatives out there sharing like vision and intentions but up against so many challenges, which – operating alone – are practically impossible to overcome.

Allow the people – the 'users' – to figure out the way to go. For a little more context, just posted a blog inspired from chat with Matt... he's a brilliant mind indeed! /whats-currency-anyway?id=2688

Hi Charley, Do you or should you have anything to do with these?

Another umbrella description is another well meaning effort that unconsciously puts all the other descriptions in the new umbrella's shade. That just doesn't work. People hold their definitions with religious fervor. A humble Rosetta Stone would be a better way to go, from my experience. I have avoided all definitional ditches in the 15 years I've worked in the social innovation/change the world space and it's worked well for me. I created the worlds largest convening of social entrepreneurs and impact investors that way.

Boxes and silos are old economy indeed. Defining WHAT we are doing and can achieve would be a contradiction I agree. Speaking to definitions in the meantime helps people to feel more familiar with intentions. To me, the new economy is about taking away limitations. Our present, centralised economy restricts the ways we work together. It rewards assumed value based on what we know. By uniting alternative decentralised systems and ideas, we can give people the freedom to give and meet their needs through any number of ways. In a world where what most people have to give cannot be realized, releasing skills in this way will lead to a revolution like no other. The solutions are out there. The time to unite is upon us, so let's make it so! Enter the workshop, that brings people in the room whose skills connect through shared values for the world we want to see

Kevin – would love to learn more about the 'worlds largest convening of social entrepreneurs and impact investors'!

It's called

It's called

Ah yes - SOCAP

Reading your bio: 'Kevin Jones creates information businesses inside emerging markets. He believes that markets emerge in conversation, as people try to explain and understand value. But this market is not like others he’s been in, and that’s what makes it more interesting and more important. Kevin is also founder of Good Capital, a venture capital firm that invests in social enterprises. His latest GoodCap incubated project can be found at The Good Cap portfolio companies where he leads engagement are: and'

On conversations: ?id=1151

Would be great to have you at the Whistler Workshop, Kevin. I'll be in touch!

What's Whistler?

Where I (and CM's programmer: /mu-is-too-short) live!,British_Columbia

I'll post a blog on it soon enough, but in the meantime, here's a little more on the workshop...

Whistler Workshop Date: 5th - 9th October, 2015

Our mission at The Citizens Media – CM – is to build a social movement centered on genuine practices of sharing and cooperation in the production and consumption of goods and services.

Connecting on-the-ground projects with returns delivered through a values based exchange, CM provides a tangible means for people from all walks of life to make a real difference for people, planet and prosperity for centuries yet to come.

The purpose of this 5-day gathering is to:

1) To instigate collaborative action and develop CM’s business plan in view of acquiring revenues, and participation needed for its vision to take off.

2) Provide the workshop's sponsor with opportunity to directly engage with new economy thought leaders in a ‘hands-on’ developmental experience.

Participants will offer a balance of expertise in each of the five areas that are intrinsic components to CM: 1) Disruptive Business Models 2) 3P Projects 3) Alternative Exchange 4) Citizen Engagement 5) Integrated Technology

Why Whistler?* Whistler is uniquely positioned to become the most “connected” resort in the world. 70 miles / 120km from one of Canada’s largest urban centers (Vancouver) and nestled within the Coast mountains, Whistler Village’s size and location make it the perfect backdrop to showcase the latest advancements around the Internet of Things & the “Future of the Connected Devices.” Whistler is fast becoming the “sandbox” for Silicon Valley to experiment and test the latest advancements. A place where nature and sport collide with innovation, the village presents us with the unique opportunity to take attendees into the open air to experience sensors, smart devices, wearables and drones the way they were meant to – in the real-world.

Whistler at a glance: - 75 Miles from Vancouver (1.5 hr drive) - Village size – 3 mile radius - 219 Retail Stores - 158 Restaurants/Lounges/Bars - 151 Hotels/Condos/Chalet/Pension/B&B’s offering 8,000 rental units - 20 Adventure & Activity Companies - 20,000 daily visitors

*Copy taken from Grow Conference:

Great proposition Caroline! Our need to attune each other is getting more and more imperious, and we are not use to share, be open and trust others groups, people, ideas, solutions... In my opinion we have already all the solutions to live well altogether, but something is restraining our good will to make it real. In addition to make the existing techno-solutions more available and used, a personal and collective consciousness shift is required. Silo occurs also between the ones who believe only in the ‘personal transformation’, others that deify technologies, others that prescribe ‘degrowth‘ and the last that bet on new social systems. I suggest to step in the 4 dimensions simultaneously, as Ken Wilber‘s map proposes (individual & collective + subjective & objective). In a way this sense of urge blocks us by triggering our fears, our scarcity assumptions, our will to be the Saver, our hyper-activism… I see many committed people lost, confuse, feeling guilty, going up and down and dispersing a lot of energy trying to realise their dreams alone. In parallel to propose ‘outside solutions’ such as currencies, governance processes, business models and open source platforms… I hold a space of permission and protection where we can allow ourselves to be more safe, inclusive and creative. I feel an invitation from the Evolution stream to observe and understand our personal and collective journey on Earth, to embrace our current situation with all past and present hits, and to include all our facets. Wise elders taught me how evolution is always happening by including and transcending the past and the present. I see here a KEY to walk together our next steps cheerfully. Thereby we can perceive that coming society is combining ancient paradigm of collective consciousness and current paradigm of efficiency and individualism. Moreover understanding where we come from and where we go helps us to surf with the Flow. Been inspired and aspirated by The Evolution Force gather us on Essential, better than divide us in details.

How can we hope a better Society if we still exclude and deny some aspects of Reality? If we still give priority to our personal illusionary dream? If we still emphasize quantity outcomes? If we still hide and drained our talents and others’? If we still sabotage success? If we still not learn to be human!

I wish we date also to devote time on personal and collective dynamics during P2P pioneers workshops. Thank you for the opportunity to share my view.


Thank you so much for sharing, Sybille! Apologies this reply comes so late. I managed to miss it... though perhaps serendipity in timing, as it's an uplifting message in a time of need :)

Wondered if you'd be interested in a summit we're doing in Whistler next month? It unites new economy leaders in developing a framework for a movement, that unites solutions for enabling this much needed change to come about! Lots of information on the website, including a registration page and a place to sign up for updates (podcasts and a documentary will be created through the event)

If you're willing and have time to help spread the word, here's a link to social media sites + messages that can be shared through people's networks: /social-media-promotions/

One love! Caroline

Thank you for tour comments Caroline. Yes I would love to be part of this amazing gathering and I could have brough some facilitation skills... Unfortunaltly I cannot afford the plane... I will followand be connected from distance I wish you stamina, stillness and focus to organize all this. Blessings ! S*

Thank you for the blessings @SybilleSaintGirons! Wish we could fly you over. Perhaps we can skype or hangout sometime. Would love to learn more about what you do.

Whistler is a ski resort town in British columbia, Canada

Too bad it's at the same time as SOCAP

Sorry we'll miss you @kevinjones . Is this the annual conference you're referring to - happening the weekend after 18-21? /featured-events/2015-annual-conference Hope we have chance to connect together soon. Perhaps we could include a Hangout Interview during the summit for exploring how our work could connect?

Hello Matthew,

I did the money MOOC and I am familiar with the work of IFLAS.

Your post is much appreciated, as it raises a problem that troubles me a lot. From my research on climate change policy, it is clear to me that all of the work on community currencies will ultimately be in vain because of the extraordinary high risks and damages of climate change. It is well known within scientific circles that global warming of 3, 4, 5 degrees celsius (this century) is highly likely without a major systemic change to the global economy that can deliver radical decarbonisation. Decarbonisation far beyond that which the UNFCCC, IPCC, COP21 can deliver based on carbon taxes, cap-and-trade, and regulations. The reasons for a UNFCCC failure is fundamental to human nature and the thermodyamics and socio-economic of the whole 'system' we call civilisation.

Given the above mentioned realities, the community list that you have made is exactly the list of people whom I believe should be looking at for a new world currency and new monetary protocol (for central banks) to finance worldwide mitigation and to achieve long run sustainability.

Unless something of this scope and economic rationality is embraced, all of those communities who seek local sustainability will resemble passengers on the Titanic. As the Titanic sinks it will become obvious that there are no life boats, and that environmentalists and social progressives made a huge error. The error is that they were thinking local instead of coordinating globally.

The proposal for the Solar Dollar (new world currency) meets all of the key criteria for mitigating climate change and creating a systemic change that could bring our entire civilisation into a new trajectory. The problem (as I see it) is that the 'Global 4C' proposal is not 'sexy' for communities. It involves macro-economics and serious topics such as monetary protocols, centrals banks, and the United Nations. People generally are too 'self interested' and often too ideological to break out of their localised perspectives and self interest.

The great irony is that Global 4C (Solar Dollar) is a proposed for a new global social-and-environmental movement that could really change the game. It is also theoretically sound and feasible, and it addresses the issues that people like Naomi Klein regularly opine. The key challenge is that Global 4C requires a paradigm shift in thinking, and it requires multi-disciplinary knowledge to understand the issues (i.e. science, economics, politics, social science).

In general, it is clear to me that one strength of the social movement is its diversity. On the other hand, this diversity is also its greatest WEAKNESS, because there needs to be a balance of 'diversity and efficiency' to be resilient and successful (as mentioned by Bernard Lietaer in his monetary theory).

My criticism of the social-environmental movement is that it is too diverse and ideological.

I could be accused of being ideological myself - about my project, Global 4C - however I do make the claim that Global 4C is logical and vital to humanity's survival based on objective reasoning and monetary history. My claim is that the proposal satisfies key statements made by a broad spectrum of expert economists, policy makers, scientists, and philosophers.

Global 4C has not yet been endorsed by a Nobel Laureate economist , and so the media and mainstream economists will likely ignore it. This is a critical problem. If Global 4C is the 'right' policy for society and communities to support, then somehow the process of understanding and discussion needs to speed up very quickly - as we are rapidly running out of time.

Christina Figueres said recently that the COP21 meeting in Paris will likely not save us from 3C warming. Prof Peter Wadhams estimates that we have 50/50 chance of avoiding an abrupt climate change. Basically this spells a collapse of civilisation. 4C warming essentially represents a certain collapse and a 6th mass extinction event. This is the essential point that most people in the world are blissfully unaware.

Best regards Delton Chen

Delton I acknowledge your passion and the understanding you bring to the subject, and I agree that the grass-roots has very little grasp of Big Finance and how it drives society. I agree that Global 4C, would be a vast improvement with the political will. Indeed, very many solutions are offered by individuals and organisations which would be a vast improvement - with the political will behind them. The problem then, is not lack of designs or even lack of Nobel laureates. (Frederick Soddy and Elinor Rostrom have made major contributions) I would also add from a strategic perspective that a design must include a context and a clear idea of who could implement it and what needs to happen next. The problem as I see it, is that the politicians don't understand, too few people are engaged, and the people who are engaged are advocating their own pet solutions instead of searching for the most strategically viable. This is similar to the silo effect after which this thread is named. If you asked me, I would say we could make a lot of progress simply by everyone creating accounts in Ripple, which is scalable, working, open source, and allows us to issue and pay one another with credit of our own denomination. As it happens, nobody is asking me, but a few people grunt in acknowledgement when I speak up. So I'm not putting my energy into promoting myself and my profound understanding and competing for mind-share - putting oneself on a pedestal is a risky exercise. Instead I have identified a niche in the movement where I can work in full power and be supported, and I concentrate on being concrete and useful and on supporting those around me and learning and watching. As I said elsewhere, I'm looking for a centre of gravity, trying to create any kind of cluster or alignment; I'm not trying to BE the centre of gravity.

Wonderfully said @MatthewSlater

There are many brilliant minds working on the same challenges. The proof will be in the making. Yes, people have busy lives. Though I'm excited to think of the potential in the nature of solutions to which you bring to our attention, @DeltonChen , I'm also a believer that we should not judge and criticize, but rather accept where things are, at and build a bridge that makes it easy for people to start to 'get it' and come on board. To force is simply more of the same. It's time to unite from the inside out.

Ripple provides a means to exchange between currencies. Can we do more through - such that currencies that work in a way that maximizes environmental and livelihood returns 'ripple' to the surface? I'd like to think so. Look forward to exploring more at the summit!

Hi Matthew,

your last comment exemplifies some limitations with community currency philosophy. The Global 4C proposal is based on theory and not a person or a personality. The theory says that the Global 4C policy for Solar Dollar world currency can circumvent the political system. The delay of the Solar Dollar system is therefore mainly a social delay. A delay of understanding. The work is not published in a peer reviewed journal. Unfortunately, this takes time.

You mention Ripple. This is has no direct bearing on the survival of civilisation and the planetary ecosystem under the circumstances, because it is not a socio-economic or environmental policy. Your comments about my concern for climate change are not relevant. The fact is that Ripple and community currencies are useless in the situation of a climate emergency.

For The Citizens Media to have a serious discussion about economics, it is necessary to have a context. What is the context? My suggestion is that addressing climate change and sustainability is the right context because we cannot survive unless we restructure the global economy - very quickly - within the next 5-10 years.

These issues transcend standard monetary theory and standard market economics.

Just one example, I came across today on the Web. This issue of global tree die-off. This represents a major positive feedback on the climate system. But there are many others.

I do not want to be part of a conversation with such an uncivil tone.

I have reviewed THE CITIZENS MEDIA goals, and also going over previous comments. It appears to me that a key topic of this conversation is, or should be, "The Great Currency Debate". The goals of TCM include understanding and trying to correct the (global) economy for reckless use of resources, the wealth gap, sustainability, and promoting local to global projects (3P = people, plant and profits).

These are extremely ambitious goals, and many economists, environmentalists, academics, philosophers, NGO's, and the U.N. have been working at these goals for decades; and the subtext is that humanity does NOT currently have a philosophy or a macro-economic proposal for how to address these problems. Moreover, the critical problem is not only social and economic, it is the climate system that is being altered by greenhouse emissions that will likely induce a collapse of our agricultural systems (with business as usual). There is a limited window of opportunity to decarbonise the world economy with a socio-economic transformation. The transformation will need to occur at an 'exponential' rate, and the slow transition (of the current system) is inadequate.

So what is so special about this conversation that can address sustainability?

My view, based on my own research, is that MONETARY THEORY is the appropriate framework for understanding civilisation (a complex system) and for prescribing a new rational and feasible pathway to correcting the global economy. This is why I have come to this conversation...

So my question to the group is this: do you want to have a serious conversation or not?

The above comments are warm and fuzzy. They feel good, but they do not address core problems. To begin a serious conversation, a context is needed, and as far as I understand, our civilisation is on a trajectory to collapse around 2050 - 2100. By collapse, I specifically mean abrupt climate change, loss of agricultural output, and a combined social-political and economic collapse. A new cold war is also being promoted, with Russia coming close to a direct military engagement with NATO, and with Israel attacking Syria through its proxies.

We are at a cross-road. To begin to understand why the next 5-10 years is so critical, I recommend that you review the links below. About 3-4 degrees-C global warming are anticipated, but will ultimately result in a 6th extinction event. Hence we need to review and define the primary drivers of economic growth. These are complex topics - and this is why I am being rather direct in this conversation - and I know that some people do not like being communicated to in a direct fashion.

Social conformity and social popularity are instinctive - basic instincts. But this topic needs a degree of intellectual objectivity (or is it just a social experience?). I am not looking to "BE the centre of gravity ". I am looking for a serious conversation.

Here are links that I recommend to the group:

1) Tim Garrett and the strong coupling between energy, economic growth, and greenhouse emissions (and Jevon's Paradox).

2) Kevin Anderson: What They Won't Tell You About Climate Catastrophe /kevin-anderson-what-they-wont-tell-you. html

3) U.N. Pledges and going to 3 deg-C warming /paris-pledges-wont-avoid-warming-19470

4) We are at the early stage of abrupt Climate Change, and the Methane Risk

Concluding Remark:

Monetary theory is an appropriate framework for dealing with the systemic problems of civilisation. But resolving such problems will also require objective understanding of the natural sciences, economic theory, political theory, and social psychology.

I am convinced that a new world currency based on a 'Carbon Monetary Standard' is entirely feasible and would invite a consciousness shift from "local to global".

Best of Luck, Delton

Delton everyone here is familiar with the climate science and most agree that the money system is key. Some have been thinking and experimenting for many years how to put alternatives in place, but the solution is not so simple as building a new system because money exists in law and in our minds before it exists in accounting systems and payment systems. That's why I think many of us have stepped back and are trying to be smarter and indeed fuzzyer. I do not believe the solution lies entirely in money and I'm unsure how practical it is to use money as a lever to bring about change. The masters house cannot be dismantled with the master's tools. But I am sure that as change happens new money systems will be needed, and experts will be needed. In my view the best use of systems such as the one you are advocating is as a communication tool to illustrate that other systems - many other systems are possible. The systems we end up with will be highly contingent on how the change happens and who its leaders are and what power they have, so promoting specific models now has limited value and we would be best served by gaining an sharing our understanding of money system design in general. And taking care, if we feel we can't work in a given context, to allow that nobody has ever experienced a transition of the type we need, we don't know how the world really works, we don't know what is most effective, and very often the seemingly stupidest ideas get the furthest, and therefore we should stay on good terms with everyone and hope they are on the right track, just as we hope we ourselves are on the right track.

Dear All,

RE: Climate Change Mitigation and Sustainability with the Solar Dollar World Currency

for those who wish to make a POSITIVE contribution to the Global 4C Project, please have a look at our website. We have a WHITE PAPER available online that summarises the policy.

We also have an entry in the 2015 MIT Climate CoLab 'Global Plan' that explains some key ideas of the new policy. It would be great if you supported for our entry by logging in and registering your vote.

I will be presenting certain socio-economic aspects the new monetary-and-market theory (a new framework for sustainability) at the Earth System Governance conference in Canberra in December 2015 "Democracy and Resilience in the Anthropocene". The conference program is here: /canberra2015/wp-content/uploads/2015 /09/ESG_Draft_Program_15Sep.pdf

Warm regards Delton